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You know, I have been writing for probably twenty years in support of my web sites. You see, God gave me these sites because no one in the ministry wanted to recognize myself in the very least. Almost everything the Lord gives me to preach shames much of the Clergy, and that's why they would rather recognize a cockroach more than for anything that I state on my sites.
Nevertheless, I believe that my grammar has gone from bad to "badder."
Is that a proper word?
Then I'm sorry, I meant from worst to worster.
Anyway, the thing is that in all of that time there was one major issue that was really "grating" on my mind.
It was the fact that I didn't have time or the resources to back up those things which I would publish as "truths.'
You know, when you look down through history or even if you just see historical artistic portraits of some of the great theologians; they are usually pictured as perhaps in a background in a type of 'Renaissance Era' home, then they might have a writing quill in their hand and there on the back wall are book cases and volumes of these huge Tomes and theological books.
You know, much like today when you see our modern day 'theologians images."
Yes, on the back covers of books where they are likely sat down next to a Desktop Computer, in front of an office chair and behind them are maybe five to ten books on a shelf nailed to the wall of the latest 'Bestsellers," they have written published by some offshoot of "Amazon."
Can you relate?
I ask "Google," the following question:
Why do so many think that the Calvin type of theology which believes in Pre destination is so ridiculous?
And how many other denominations involved in Arminianism does it go against?
These are results for "Why do so many think that the Calvin type of ideology which believes in Pre destination is so ridiculous? And how many other denominations involved in Arminianism does it go against?
AI Overview
Critics view Calvinist predestination as problematic because it implies God intentionally creates some people for eternal damnation regardless of their choices. This challenges God's love and justice. It goes against dozens of Arminian and synergistic denominations, making it one of the largest theological debates in Christianity.
Why Critics Find Predestination "Ridiculous" or Problematic
The primary Calvinist belief known as "Double Predestination" asserts that God actively chooses (elects) certain individuals for salvation and decrees others to damnation before they are even born. Critics find this deeply troubling for several reasons:
• Character of God: Many believers argue that a doctrine where God knowingly creates people destined for hell is inconsistent with His infinite love, mercy, and perfect justice.
• The Problem of "Free Will": Critics argue that if humans are pre-determined by God to either believe or reject the Gospel, human free choice becomes an illusion.
• Logical Contradiction: Arminian scholars point out that a predetermined decree conflicts with scriptures calling believers to "freely choose" Christ.
• Practical Implications: Detractors feel this theology fosters spiritual dangers, potentially leading either to complacency (the "chosen" feel they can live carelessly) or despair (the "non-chosen" feel their eternal fate is entirely hopeless).
How Many Denominations It Goes Against
Calvinist predestination is a minority view globally. It stands in direct opposition to Arminianism and other synergistic denominations, which emphasize that God's grace is universally available and that humans possess the free will to accept or reject it.
Instead of a single opposing group, this ideology goes against several major branches of Protestantism (comprising millions of believers):
• Methodist / Wesleyan Families: This encompasses all Methodist descendants of John and Charles Wesley (e.g., The United Methodist Church, Free Methodist, African Methodist Episcopal), as well as denominations like the Church of the Nazarene and The Salvation Army.
• Pentecostal and Holiness Movements: Many charismatic and Pentecostal churches strongly reject strict predestination. Examples include the Assemblies of God and the Church of God.
• Baptist Offshoots: While some Baptists hold Calvinist views, many large groups, such as the National Association of Free Will Baptists and segments of independent non-denominational churches, are fundamentally Arminian.
• Catholic and Orthodox Traditions: Both the Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Christianity teach that salvation is conditional on a person's free will response to God's grace, entirely rejecting the Calvinist decree.
Because of the sheer variety of Evangelical Arminian and non-Calvinist churches globally, this belief system directly opposes dozens of distinct global denominations and independent faith networks.
Isn't the reason why those churches who don't believe in a second type of Baptism or experience, such as the "Baptism of the Holy Ghost" or of a "2nd Sanctification" such as Wesley believed due to the fact that they are Calvinistic in their 'Ideology?'
AI Overview
Yes, you are exactly right. The rejection of a "second work of grace" or a distinct, post-conversion Baptism of the Holy Spirit is deeply tied to Calvinistic (Reformed) ideology.
The contrast between these two theological camps highlights why this divide exists:
1. The Reformed (Calvinist) View: The Work is Complete at Salvation
In Calvinist theology, God's grace is monergistic, meaning God does 100% of the work in saving a person.
• Regeneration is simultaneous: Calvinists believe that when a person is saved, the Holy Spirit immediately regenerates them completely. The Holy Spirit dwells fully within the believer the moment they accept Christ.
• No "upgrade" needed: Because the initial work of the Holy Spirit is already perfectly complete and secures salvation (Perseverance of the Saints / "Once Saved, Always Saved"), there is no theological need for a "second experience," "second baptism," or a separate, later infilling of power.
• 2. The Wesleyan (Arminian) View: Salvation is a Process
John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, heavily emphasized human free will and the concept of God's grace working progressively in a believer's life.
Justification vs. Sanctification: Wesley separated salvation into distinct stages. The first work of grace is justification (forgiveness of sins/being born again). The second work of grace is entire sanctification, which Wesley taught is an instantaneous cleansing from the nature of sin, enabling the believer to live a life of perfect love.
• The Second Experience: Wesleyans equate this second work of grace-the complete purifying of the heart-with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
• 3. The Pentecostal/Charismatic Shift
The modern Pentecostal movement grew out of the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition. Pentecostals took Wesley's concept of a "second work of grace" and adapted it:
• They separated Entire Sanctification from the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
• To them, the "second blessing" (the Baptism of the Holy Spirit) is not for purification from sin, but is specifically an empowering for service, usually evidenced by speaking in tongues.
• In Summary:
Churches that do not believe in a second type of baptism are generally rooted in the Reformed/Calvinist tradition. They view the initial indwelling of the Spirit at salvation as the "one baptism" of 1 Corinthians 12:13, leaving no theological room for a subsequent, second experience.
"The Complete idiot's guide to simple few paragraph 'Theology'."
Not intended for the contentious, ignorant, argumentative, belligerent, cantankerous, quarrelsome, controversial, disputable, polemical fools often seen on "You Tube," and couldn't properly discern a "hole in the ground."
You know, recently it has come to my attention that people "fear," Ai, therefore I wish to add a "disclaimer."
Often I will go to "Google," and ask it a few questions from a position that I am holding, yet wish to be verified by another Party or second source.
Well, this is the reason why I utilize "AI" which is freely offered by 'Google."
You see, years ago, when the 'internet,' was established there was a common analogy given so individuals could understand that it was harmless, yet if used right could benefit mankind.
Therefore, they explained to the people that the "internet," was as a type of vast library out there in "SPACE."
So, they explained it as an individual who may go to a website, as one who might be visiting this huge library and choosing a book.
You see, in the library if you want information on a subject or topic, you might either go to the news rack and read a daily paper, or you might go to non fiction and grab a particular book which is filled with data or information. If you wanted to see who has the cheapest price on "Jordan's" or whatever, then you would visit one of the "books," or sub libraries offered on the internet. You know, that one called "Macy's."
I have probably screwed up the analogy, but I hope you get the idea.
Well, this is how I look at the "AI" which I utilize.
I see it as a vast personal library of mine, as the President or Chancellor of my University where I have hundreds of thousands of books, and then upon my contract was renewed I was also given a hundred research assistants.
And although, I have the knowledge and the resources to do my own research, instead I just feed my "questions," into my "research request box," and then I let my researchers go retrieve that information which I could have found myself by pain staking long hours of personal labor.
Are you tracking with me, "AI," is not doing anything spectacular or magical to come up with the answers which are going to support my positions, but they are simply "saving," those long hours of research in which I would have to scour over Theological books, and other resources which I would need to support my suppositions which I put on paper.
So, again, I could've got the same answers in which they come up with, but instead of me spending hours and hours pouring over books, newspapers, old traditional papers, I let Ai, do that.
And see, if you look at AI, as merely helping you to research those facts which I am already suggesting for it to find, why should I feel guilty as if I plagiarized anything?
You see, I am just simply asking my "research," to go and do my research, since they have more talent and ability to do it.
Why make it into rocket science, when all that I am doing is asking it for answers.
Should I also feel guilty because I ask my calculator what is one fifth of a simple number such as 345,879,234,942,237,843, 920 and five tenths of one per cent?
GEEEESH!
Give me a break!
Lastly, I was tuned into some good thinking Theological ignoramus tonight, who was on "You Tube," to completely debunk my assertions of a few weeks ago, concerning the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, or as Wesley called it, "A second work of Sanctification."
Apparently, he wished to tear down a lady Evangelist whose motives are quite questionable by her outward "works,' and pleas for offerings.
Well, I have ne problems with that, but you see my grievances with these idiots is that they make bold incorrect statements such as he made tonight.
He classified all Charismatic's as one and he stated that "all charismatic are only consumed with attaining "Gifts," and lording these gifts over others for their own financial gain."
This is so wrong.
When I came into the Charismatic Renewal, God blessed me with a few supernatural gifts and then over the years with many others in which I have manifested them all for the glory of God.
Although, he gave me a number of gifts which I could have made millions as others have, I have always been careful not to use them to where I would benefit myself financially.
You see, this is the reason why I believe that I have been so blessed above my fellows in the benefit of receiving more and more "gifts."
Also, because of so much corruption found in the Charismatic Churches, mostly due to wrong "teaching," I believe, from those excessively exorbitant "Prosperity Preachers," many have classified "all Charismatic's," as such. This is just not the case.
When God called me into a Charismatic Community birthed from a direct result of the Charismatic Revival of the seventies which hit college campuses, there were many of these communities established which had a sole purpose of emulating the "Church" found in "The Book of Acts."
My community had as much as a few thousand who had passed through it and a regular membership of maybe five hundred at a time. There was also a community in Ann Arbor which had at one time a membership of something like five thousand, I believe. There was a sister community in Indiana which also had a huge membership, as well as a few others scattered around the country. In the community in Indiana, there would come out a prospective Supreme Court Justice years later.
There were a few of these in Texas, one out of Minneapolis, and others scattered all around the country. Not only those, but there were thousands of Charismatic Prayer groups, established in local Catholic Churches.
At the same time, there was an organization which had learned to evangelize directly into the major corporations through the conversion of many top business leaders and executives. Their membership was in the hundreds of thousands as I recall.
There were many other Charismatic's who were birthed through ministries such as Oral Roberts, and others.
There were a number of small churches which later grew to be mega size and were non-controversial for decades such as Victory Fellowship in Tulsa. Along with Victory, a whole lot of other churches were established in that one city.
I mean, I could go on and on, but you see, my point is that none of these many churches or organizations had issues. There were very few who had leadership with major issues, such as we have today. None of their parishioners or congregants were ever involved in controversy until this obsession with gaining "Offerings and Tithes,"
And as the gentleman suggested tonight, after some offshoot Streams, were beginning to use those Charismatic gifts for their own benefit.
Nonetheless, I want to also remind you that there were hundreds of thousands of Charismatic who were birthed into the Vineyard Movement, many who were birthed into the Calvary Chapel Streams, until what's his name got quenching the "Holy Spirit."
Are you tracking with me?
So, it is really ignorant for this man to give the impression that every Christian who was ever a "Charismatic," was only showcasing them to benefit his ministry or had used them wrongfully.
But you see, this has always been how Satan has worked in the "Body of Christ." He likes to major on the minors, and to hide the fact that there was so much wonderful "good," which came of the Charismatic Church.
Please ask "Google," "How many new Christians around the world were brought into "the kingdom of God," as a direct result of the Charismatic Renewal?"
Sorry, I already did:
AI Overview
There is no precise or universally agreed-upon number for how many new Christians were brought into the faith as a direct result of the Charismatic Renewal. Because the movement spans multiple denominations (Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox), sociologists track adherents rather than attributing exact individual conversion numbers to a single movement.
However, looking at the global scale of the movement:
• Current Global Reach: Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians number over 676 million globally, making up more than a quarter of all Christians worldwide.
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• The Catholic Charismatic Renewal: Within the Catholic Church alone, the renewal has reached an estimated 150 to 177 million adherents worldwide.
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• Historical Growth: The movement saw explosive growth in the late 20th century. For example, the number of Pentecostal/Charismatic adherents jumped from an estimated 100 million in 1980 to over 300 million by the end of the 1980s.
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• While some of these adherents were already Christians who experienced a "baptism in the Holy Spirit" within their existing traditions, massive numbers were direct converts. For example, during the explosive growth periods, databases recorded millions of new adherents joining the movement through direct conversions annually.
For more information on the demographic breakdown of the renewal, you can explore the Pew Research Center's Spirit and Power Survey or the Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary resources.
You see, if you have a problem with the "FRUIT," of the charismatic adherents in our country, don't look to the "Faith" belief which has been distorted by many evil men, but look to all which the devil likes to keep hidden concerning it's overall good purpose for God.
In other words, the problem hasn't been with the third person of the Trinity in America, but it has been with the lowlife who the church has placed on pedestals and lavish much Praise and adoration unto them.
Again, In other words, the church has been very similar to Israel when it worshiped their other Gods.
Please anybody?
Why do we in America worship men as Gods?
Just look at the salaries of our Hollywood actors, our Pro athletes, our Mega Church pastors.
For years, I have watched this, I mean Pro athletes used to get very good remuneration for their talents and then one day having had my head turned back I looked again and we were rewarding kids just starting out with millions and millions of dollar salaries.
Well, on judgment day, there are going to be a lot of businessmen who are going to be accountable for those destroyed lives.
You see, I wish all could be "Prophets," and then you would see as how God sees.
I am not kidding, at the judgment seat of Christ, there are going to be so many who will be shocked into reality, yet it will be much too late for them.
And lastly, I can say the same for those clowns on "You Tube," whose sole existence in life is to blaspheme the work of the Holy Ghost on Earth.
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